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and welcome to episode number 19 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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when we look back at the history of the

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topic collectively referred to

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as high strangeness it's clear that

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for a long time various phenomena were

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studied as distinct fields of inquiry

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and often so-called ghost hunters

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bigfoot investigators

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and ufo researchers were distinct groups

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of people

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who kept to their own lane so to speak

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as we've discussed previously on the

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point of convergence podcast

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over time it has become clear that this

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is likely not the best way to approach

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these topics

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because there appears to be a repeated

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overlap between them

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for instance a person who experiences

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one of these kinds of uncanny encounters

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is much more likely than an average

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random individual from the general

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population

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indeed one of the most useful predictors

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of someone experiencing

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any form of high strangeness whether

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that be a ufo sighting

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contact with non-human intelligence a

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near-death experience

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experience

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of the phenomena from this list

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that tells us that clearly some people

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hardwired to perceive and experience a

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broader bandwidth of reality

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than the general population but uniquely

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gifted

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and sensitive individuals only represent

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one of the ways that we see

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overlap between these various kinds of

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contact modalities

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another fascinating data point that has

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emerged from a cross-disciplinary study

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of various forms of high strangeness is

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that certain particular locations

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seem more prone than others to be hosts

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to such

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there are numerous examples of such

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places around the world

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the uinta basin of utah sedona arizona

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new zealand's kaikoura mountain range

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region

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the egyptian pyramids the united

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kingdom's stonehenge

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new york's hudson valley the bermuda

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and many more often these locations are

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not only known for just one particular

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kind of paranormal encounter

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but several this has led some to

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postulate that such places may be

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paranormal through ways of some kind

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where different realities can and do

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sometimes overlap

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and interact this hypothesis suggests

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that it's not necessarily that different

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entities and phenomena

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are related to each other per se but the

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different entities are simply using the

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same interdimensional portals

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indeed these other world gates as we

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might not just be the bridge between two

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worlds but a nexus point joining

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together multiple worlds

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that's one possibility

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another possibility is that what we

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observe in these porous

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thin places between worlds is one

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singular phenomenon

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that knows how to disguise itself in

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many forms

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the existence of such portals is a

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mind-boggling notion and yet the data

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certainly points in this direction

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and it makes one wonder what might be

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possible if we could gain access to

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these through ways

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ourselves are these locations the exit

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points for wormholes

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long ago established by non-human

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intelligences from elsewhere in our

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and what does the existence of such

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portals

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suggest about ultimate reality

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these and other fascinating questions

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are the topic of this

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the 19th episode of the point of

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as we begin today's episode like last

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i would just like to ask you to keep an

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about this notion that there may exist

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portals between worlds

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i know that sounds far out it sounds

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like science fiction

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and yet when one looks at a place like

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skinwalker rants for instance which has

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extensively this certainly seems like a

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leading hypothesis

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based on the evidence at hand

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now in the introduction to today's

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episode i mentioned

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numerous locations around the world that

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are known for

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a high occurrence of high strangeness

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but what we're going to focus on today

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is skinwalker ranch and not just

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skinwalker ranch but the entire uinta

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basin

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of utah the entire area is known for

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paranormal phenomena and has been known

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for that for a very long time

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skinwalker ranch may not be the most

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paranormal place on earth

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but it is the most studied and that's

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and to be clear when i say studied i

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don't just mean stories passed down from

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and generation to generation although

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that's certainly part of the picture

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at skinwalker ranch and the general

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now i'm talking about full on scientific

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studies

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done by well-equipped science teams

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in fact there's been not one but two

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well-equipped

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science teams on hand at skinwalker

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and they have conducted numerous

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experiments over time

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geared to testing various hypotheses

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this is why this is such a significant

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now in today's podcast episode we don't

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have time to go into the long history of

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the area

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but very quickly the term skinwalker is

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navajo culture and beliefs and basically

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the story goes that the ute

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who are the indian population there now

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believed that the navajo put a curse on

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them the curse

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is the skinwalker now in terms of the

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area and who has lived there over the

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last several decades

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the sherman family owned what was known

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as sherman ranch

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then robert bigelow purchased from the

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shermans and he established nids

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in 1995 and then brandon fugle most

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recently is a real estate mogul who

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and in reference to the two science

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teams that i mentioned earlier

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robert bigelow set up the first one that

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was nids which is the national institute

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and then brandon fugle who purchased the

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property from him

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who also has a great interest in the

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paranormal

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then set up his own science team and

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they've been conducting investigations

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if you've been tuning in to the point of

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convergence podcast for a while now

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you know that the premise we're going

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with is that ufos are part of a larger

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phenomenon

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that the contact modalities are all

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related that they are like spokes in the

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of one central phenomenon and that

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perhaps consciousness

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is the bedrock that connects them all

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and skinwalker ranch is certainly a

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fascinating case in point when it comes

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to this particular way of seeing things

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because ufos are just the beginning of

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now ufos are certainly part of the

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picture at skinwalker ranch

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they've been observed there many times

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and even recently

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and all sorts of different kinds as well

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everything from

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block-like rvs up in the sky

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to your typical silvery saucer shapes

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to orbs and everything in between but

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aspect of the total phenomena noticed at

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over time and we have to consider

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all of the data to do justice to this

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if we're to legitimately generate

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hypotheses we can't gloss over data

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now as i've stated before i certainly

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understand the temptation to exclude

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certain bizarre

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and absurd elements that are observed

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because the mainstream culture will not

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but that's the problem if we stick to

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that which fits with mainstream

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perspectives we're not likely to make

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clearly this is telling us something

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about reality that is

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new that breaks out of the typical

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that's why it's so important that we

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accurately everything that's seen and

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now with that rant for honest science

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let's now discuss some of the phenomena

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that have been noticed at the ranch

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over time and as we begin i'd like to

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give a shout out to george knapp

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much of this research is his he's been

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many times and over years collecting

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this evidence

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let me give you one example the son of

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the family that lived there

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he and his friends moved a huge court of

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wood from one part of the property to

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then they went inside to do something

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and the entire court of wood had been

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moved back to its original location

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but not exactly in the same orientation

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but it had been moved back

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so not only did it take them a long time

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to move all this wood from one location

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to the next

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but when they went back outside the

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entire court of wood had been moved back

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no one else was there to do it

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another example now this was the first

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day on the ranch for the family

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and this gives you an idea of how

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shocking this would be

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one day as the story goes they were

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at the ranch and they noticed a very

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very large

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wolf-like looking dog or some sort of

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in the distance this creature got closer

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and was quite docile with them in fact a

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couple of them even stroked its fur

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it was very large sort of came up to the

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chest of

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the father of this family

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anyway what eventually happened is this

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wolf-like creature

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caught sight of one of the calves and

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reached in and try and grab this thing

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by its jaws and pull it out

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they ended up shooting at this creature

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multiple times six times i think

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and eventually even after flesh popped

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out it still didn't look that perturbed

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and eventually it sort of trotted off

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what's strange is they followed it

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and they there was still snow on the

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ground at the time and

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they followed it out tried to follow the

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tracks of this creature

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and the tracks just ended in the snow

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just stopped

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and the thing was no longer there they

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didn't see where it went

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it's almost like it just disappeared or

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was taken away or something

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very strange now what's even stranger is

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when later on the scientific team showed

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the family each individually different

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pictures of different kinds of wolves

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and dogs

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every family member picked out this one

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particular

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photo and it was of a direwolf which is

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a huge wolf that went extinct

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10 000 years ago i'll let you chew on

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now what was also shocking and actually

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traumatizing to the family

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was cattle mutilation they lost multiple

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cattle

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of this phenomenon

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it's hard to know who's doing it and how

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it's connected to ufos exactly or

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non-human intelligence

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but it does seem to be part of the same

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phenomenon and it certainly has been

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noticed

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and happened multiple times at

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skinwalker ranch

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sometimes people would hear what sounded

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like underground machinery and again

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this is a very remote ranch out in the

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middle of nowhere

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and when no farm equipment was being

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used they would hear what sounded like

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underground machinery

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very strange in fact george knapp

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and others have brought up remote

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viewers and they actually saw what they

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perceived as underground military bases

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of some kind

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that this was perhaps making this

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machinery sound

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but the area was never dug up to

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now let's discuss another harrowing

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encounter and this involved

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two creatures very different creatures

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in the same incident

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one time it was noticed over by a

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section of trees

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two creatures were noticed the one below

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was very round

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and looked like a giant round hair ball

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basically

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almost like a bear but very round that

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kind of fur

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and above this up in the tree we're

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notice two

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huge eyes they are about the size of a

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forearm

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each and they ended up shooting at both

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creatures

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the one below was hit and then

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apparently just seemed to

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pop into non-existence above

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the other creature was also hit and it

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jumped out of the tree

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and in fact when they went over to that

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area there was still snow on the ground

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they found a huge what looked like talon

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track

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in the snow but it was huge it looked

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like the size of basically a raptor

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like a dinosaur era raptor there on the

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to be clear this was at night time and

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after finding this talon track

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they tried to scan the entire area for

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any sign of either of these creatures

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but none was found

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there have also been incidences

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involving birds that were quite strange

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modern birds though not giant dinosaur

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birds

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for instance a flock of canada geese

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were coming over and they were in your

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typical v

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formation but when they came over the

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ranch they suddenly broke up

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their formation almost like they were

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disoriented and flew around the ranch

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basically

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it's interesting because in brandon

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fugle's team

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they have found evidence that there may

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be some sort of anomaly well up in the

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air

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above the ranch in fact that's even been

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one of the hypotheses

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that perhaps the anomalous source is

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now various other kinds of strange

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humanoid creatures have also been

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noticed

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one is kind of like a predator-like

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creature and when i say predator-like

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i'm referring to the movie

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where the being is mostly transparent

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like you can see the background behind

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it

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also strange shadowy figures have been

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noticed in and around

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a couple of the different homesteads and

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we mentioned the court of wood that's

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just one of many

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poltergeist-like activities that are

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often on hand

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now some of those accounts may stretch

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your ability to comprehend

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or to believe but there are some

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accounts that are even stranger still

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and when george knapp recounted this one

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particular incident you could tell he

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was struggling with it because it sounds

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so absurd but again we can't ignore this

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and to george snap's credit he didn't

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ignore it because absurdity seems to be

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part

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and parcel with this phenomenon the

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question of why we can get to later

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but let me first give you this

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particular account

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one time it was noticed that two six

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foot tall

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figures were standing in trench coats

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smoking cigarettes no less

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when they went to confront these two

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figures they turned around

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to reveal dog-like faces

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that's right six foot tall figures in

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trench coats

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smoking cigarettes with dog-like faces

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incredibly absurd right it stretches our

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belief to the max

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and beyond what's even stranger is even

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beyond skinwalker ranch

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these kind of creatures have been

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noticed elsewhere and are part of the

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ufo phenomenon literature

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again why is a different question what

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it means is a different question

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we have to begin with reckoning with and

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making note of this

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aspect of the data no matter how absurd

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it is

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i should also point out that it's clear

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that these were not just a couple of

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jokers a couple of human beings

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wearing dog masks when they went to try

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and investigate

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these things disappeared and i think

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from the documentation

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the cigarettes were left behind but no

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trace of these creatures

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these humanoid figures with dog-like

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faces very strange

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when we consider the evidence from

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skinwalker ranch it should also be clear

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that

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this doesn't happen all the time it's

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not like if you go to the ranch

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within a few minutes or a few hours or

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even necessarily a few days

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you're going to run into these

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00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:13,199
paranormal phenomena

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in fact george knapp has accounted being

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there several times

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and not noticing anything it's over time

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that these things happen

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some people seem to stir up activity

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more than others

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there are other kinds of activity that

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seem to stir up this phenomenon

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that includes bringing strangers to the

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ranch making noise

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and particularly digging into the ground

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apparently causes something to rise up

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now before moving on to an analysis of

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this data

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i'd like to recount one more story and

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it has to do with ufos but

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not like a ufo you've heard of before

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probably

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one time they noticed what looked like a

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winnebago's lights or something like

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that a large vehicle rv like vehicle

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coming down the road there's only one

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road into this ranch by the way

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and they were kind of annoyed thinking

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how did someone get out here

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must be lost let's go give them

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directions help them turn around

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what happened was as they went out these

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lights got closer

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and closer and then suddenly the lights

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started going

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up and up and up went into the sky

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well above their heads thousands of feet

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and then whoosh they were gone

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very strange looked like something on

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the ground at night

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then went up into the air size of an rv

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and then

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and this is just some of the high

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strangeness that's been documented at

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the ranch but clearly you can see

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there is a plethora of paranormal

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activity here

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now let's move on to the psychological

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effects that are on display at the ranch

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as well

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and as we know and as you probably heard

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me discuss

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many times before on this podcast

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psychological psychic effects are a huge

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aspect of the phenomenon in fact some

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people like jacques villa for instance

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think it's central to the phenomenon and

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that's certainly been

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the case here at skinwalker ranch as

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well

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one time it was noted that ufos were

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seen up in the sky at night

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and what's strange is as the people went

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outside to look

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they suddenly felt giddiness like a real

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euphoria come over them almost like a

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laughter as well

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that it felt like these ufos themselves

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00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,160
were directly

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impacting their consciousness making

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them feel this that somehow their brain

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00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,400
waves were being manipulated

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causing this reaction there was nothing

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00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:42,080
in the environment to make them react

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this way

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and there was more than one of these

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kinds of occurrences

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on a completely different occasion

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something else was noticed up in the sky

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and this particular object caused them

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to have an opposite reaction

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that they actually were fearful and they

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felt fear come over them

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00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,360
again they didn't feel like this was

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their natural reaction it felt like

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their cerebral cortex was being directly

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now as a quick aside here i want to

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remind you that this is not

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unscientific individuals reporting these

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events

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documented by

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the science teams themselves people who

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are

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trained to be objective in how they

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observe

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and record things now let's discuss

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something to do with portals

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specifically

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in the introduction i mentioned that the

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00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,400
idea that skinwalker ranch may be

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a hot spot because it is a portal

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between worlds or different dimensions

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now not only are interdimensional

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portals an intriguing hypothesis to

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potentially explain

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the various phenomena noted at the ranch

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but there were actually several

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occasions where people noticed what

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looked like

580
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,880
portals opening up on more than one

581
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,080
occasion for instance

582
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,880
up in the sky in broad daylight a large

583
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,799
orange circle would appear almost like a

584
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,000
second sun

585
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,679
and when they looked closely they could

586
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,320
see through this like it was a hole

587
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,520
and behind that a different sky

588
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,840
yes indeed and on more than one occasion

589
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,360
it was even noted that

590
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,200
something flew out of this hole

591
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,520
apparently into our reality

592
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,520
sounds bizarre but this was what was

593
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,120
observed

594
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,120
another time about three to four feet

595
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,360
off the ground a small very bright

596
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,720
circle was noticed

597
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,880
and this circle would expand until it

598
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,400
was about three or four feet

599
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,200
in diameter and it looked almost like a

600
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,360
tunnel like it was three-dimensional

601
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:48,000
even stranger a humanoid creature was

602
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,400
seen

603
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,320
elbowing its way out of this and

604
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:52,880
stepping out into our reality

605
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,840
again this was noted and seen at the

606
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,559
ranch

607
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,720
now even as i read those notes out loud

608
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,600
to you i

609
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,080
recognize how bizarre that sounds it

610
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000
sounds like science fiction

611
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,919
a huge majority of the population would

612
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,039
dismiss this

613
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:11,200
outright they would say it's impossible

614
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,080
it sounds like

615
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,280
a hallucination or someone with too much

616
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,720
imagination

617
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,880
but i want to remind you that science

618
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,400
teams two of them in fact

619
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,799
have been on the ground over years

620
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,440
observing

621
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:26,559
and documenting this phenomenon and they

622
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,039
focus

623
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,760
on science they run experiments they

624
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,799
adjust variables

625
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,440
see how that changes the behavior they

626
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,600
basically treat it like a paranormal

627
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,120
living lab

628
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,120
and they try and exclude other factors

629
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:41,520
that may cause people to hallucinate for

630
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,480
instance

631
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:44,240
they have looked into geomagnetic

632
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,520
anomalies they've looked into

633
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,600
psychedelic plants that perhaps

634
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,679
are perfuming in the area and causing

635
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,039
people to hallucinate

636
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,200
but they have found nothing to explain

637
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,149
at least nothing that would explain the

638
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,320
phenomenon according to the parameters

639
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,559
of mainstream scientific materialism

640
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,480
that is

641
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,159
now let's move on to discussing the

642
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,000
notion of the trickster

643
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,400
now the trickster is a figure that is

644
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:12,159
brought up when we talk about skinwalker

645
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,880
ranch

646
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,360
because of the psychological trickery

647
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,760
that seems to be on display

648
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,919
the notion of the trickster is common in

649
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,080
various native american traditions and

650
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,520
various shamanic traditions

651
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,919
around the world the trickster is an

652
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:27,200
archetypal figure

653
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,149
now when some people talk about the

654
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:36,080
trickster they think about it in terms

655
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,960
of a joker

656
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,039
that is just using psychological

657
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,720
manipulation to play with us

658
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,200
for no apparent reason other than it

659
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,840
enjoys the process perhaps

660
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,760
but there has been some deeper analysis

661
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,840
suggesting that perhaps the trickster is

662
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,000
a manifestation of our own collective

663
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,120
subconscious

664
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,760
or perhaps of the life force itself

665
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,679
which is designed to force us into new

666
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,880
ways of thinking

667
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,200
because it exposes our assumptions

668
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:02,960
especially our mainstream

669
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,240
dominant assumptions it uses absurdity

670
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,559
and psychological trickery to get us to

671
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,080
think differently

672
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:12,080
and again this would fit well with the

673
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:13,120
documented

674
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,269
now let's bring this around to a couple

675
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,120
of the questions we posed in the

676
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,840
introduction to today's episode

677
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,320
what is the phenomena noticed at

678
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,440
skinwalker ranch

679
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,240
tell us about ultimate reality and how

680
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,640
could we potentially explain it

681
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,320
well we've discussed the idea of

682
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,320
interdimensional portals

683
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,120
and modern science considers this in

684
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,640
terms of wormholes

685
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,120
and the multiverse the idea with

686
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,960
wormholes is that you can actually open

687
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
up a connection

688
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,760
between two very different aspects of

689
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,039
physical reality

690
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,640
for instance it would be a shortcut

691
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,520
between two very distant parts of

692
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,640
our physical universe perhaps even

693
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,320
you could connect two different

694
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,000
universes through this kind of

695
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,720
shortcut that's what a wormhole is and

696
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,279
when you

697
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,440
listen to the postulations about what a

698
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,799
wormhole would look like

699
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,720
it sounds a lot like what we have

700
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:11,440
described at skinwalker ranch when those

701
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,710
i only bring this to your attention to

702
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,240
make the point that this is not

703
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
science fiction this is mainstream

704
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,240
science today

705
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,240
wormholes are believed to be a part of

706
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:27,600
our physical universe

707
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,640
it's not a far out idea indeed

708
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,880
scientists and astronomers are already

709
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,760
postulating

710
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,840
ways we could use wormholes to

711
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:38,320
facilitate travel to distant parts of

712
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,799
our

713
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:42,000
galaxy and beyond the idea is we could

714
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,279
potentially open them

715
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,440
the real challenge now is figuring out

716
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,440
how you would stabilize them long enough

717
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,919
to use them as highways of a sort to

718
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,440
travel to distant parts

719
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,029
now let's take this a step further and

720
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,559
consider a few different ways

721
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,520
that species intelligences may be able

722
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,720
to traverse

723
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,799
the distance between not just two

724
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,720
different locations in the same physical

725
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,520
universe

726
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,200
but actually traverse the distance

727
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,279
between two different universes

728
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,440
or two different dimensions of physical

729
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,960
reality

730
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,880
and it's important not to conflate these

731
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,240
three because i think there's more than

732
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,480
one way this could happen

733
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,400
technology is one way that if you

734
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,840
develop a sophisticated enough

735
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,520
technology perhaps you would use

736
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:27,919
wormholes or something like that to open

737
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,830
and when we consider the advanced

738
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,320
spacefaring races that are encountered

739
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,799
within the ufo phenomenon literature

740
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,559
this may be how they are accomplishing

741
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,520
this task

742
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,200
they are using a shortcut like a

743
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,120
wormhole opening that up

744
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,760
to traverse these immense distances and

745
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,360
it's their technology

746
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,559
that enables this

747
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,400
another possibility is that some

748
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,799
creatures have an inherent evolutionary

749
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,679
capacity

750
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,159
that allows them to traverse the gap

751
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,760
between two different aspects of

752
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,039
physical reality

753
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:06,080
two different universes as it were and

754
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,440
these creatures wouldn't be using

755
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,440
advanced technology they might not have

756
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,360
that technology whatsoever

757
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
their understanding of reality might

758
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,039
even be quite rudimentary and yet they

759
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,480
have this inherent

760
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,520
uh evolutionary capacity one of the

761
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,000
creatures

762
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,240
in fact noticed at skinwalker ranch is

763
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,200
what we would consider

764
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:25,520
a bigfoot in fact an entire family has

765
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,480
been noticed

766
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,159
but only at certain times you can't

767
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,159
usually find them there

768
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,760
what if these creatures are actually

769
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,240
interdimensional and they have an innate

770
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:36,240
evolutionary capacity that allows them

771
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,590
a third option that occurs to me is not

772
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,120
a wormhole opened up through

773
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,799
technological means

774
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,000
nor a traversing of that gap by

775
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,399
an evolutionary capacity as a creature

776
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,240
like bigfoot for instance

777
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,399
but what if some wormholes just have

778
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,559
been opened up and stabilized between

779
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,760
different worlds

780
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,520
and some creatures just happen to have

781
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,960
stumbled across

782
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,880
these openings and they use it to

783
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,799
traverse between the two worlds

784
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,960
this might also be the case and this

785
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,720
might explain the bizarre

786
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:12,640
collection of creatures we find at a

787
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,559
place like skinwalker ranch

788
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,080
and now i'd like to share a final

789
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,760
thought with you based on today's

790
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,520
discussion

791
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,840
we should be astonished by the plethora

792
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,000
of wondrous possibilities that exist

793
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,080
just beyond the periphery of our

794
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,000
everyday perception

795
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,559
we should be inspired and in awe of the

796
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,679
complex

797
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,480
interwoven tapestry of life apparently

798
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,720
spawned by the energy of consciousness

799
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,200
the bedrock of all reality that gives

800
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,640
rise to a multiverse

801
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,440
teeming with life both conventional and

802
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,440
unconventional

803
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,600
but just as one might go exploring in

804
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,720
the rich colorful jungles of the amazon

805
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,039
one should remember to bring a compass

806
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,240
and a guide

807
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,039
bring provisions and be aware of one's

808
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:05,029
and on that note we've come to the close

809
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,240
of another edition

810
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,880
of the point of convergence podcast as

811
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,720
always let's keep this conversation

812
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,200
going and growing please continue to

813
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,799
spread the word

814
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,039
but until next time friends from deep

815
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,799
within the blue ridge mountains of north

816
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:19,919
carolina